by Plato Translated by Benjamin Jowett PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE:
Lysimachus,son of Aristides.
Melesias,son of Thucydides.
Their sons.
Nicias,Laches,Socrates.
LYSIMACHUS:You have seen the exhibition of the man fighting in armour,Nicias and Laches,but we did not tell you at the time the reason why my friend Melesias and I asked you to go with us and see him.I think that we may as well confess what this was,for we certainly ought not to have any reserve with you.The reason was,that we were intending to ask your advice.Some laugh at the very notion of advising others,and when they are asked will not say what they think.They guess at the wishes of the person who asks them,and answer according to his,and not according to their own,opinion.But as we know that you are good judges,and will say exactly what you think,we have taken you into our counsels.The matter about which I am making all this preface is as follows:Melesias and Ihave two sons;that is his son,and he is named Thucydides,after his grandfather;and this is mine,who is also called after his grandfather,Aristides.Now,we are resolved to take the greatest care of the youths,and not to let them run about as they like,which is too often the way with the young,when they are no longer children,but to begin at once and do the utmost that we can for them.And knowing you to have sons of your own,we thought that you were most likely to have attended to their training and improvement,and,if perchance you have not attended to them,we may remind you that you ought to have done so,and would invite you to assist us in the fulfilment of a common duty.I will tell you,Nicias and Laches,even at the risk of being tedious,how we came to think of this.Melesias and Ilive together,and our sons live with us;and now,as I was saying at first,we are going to confess to you.Both of us often talk to the lads about the many noble deeds which our own fathers did in war and peace--in the management of the allies,and in the administration of the city;but neither of us has any deeds of his own which he can show.The truth is that we are ashamed of this contrast being seen by them,and we blame our fathers for letting us be spoiled in the days of our youth,while they were occupied with the concerns of others;and we urge all this upon the lads,pointing out to them that they will not grow up to honour if they are rebellious and take no pains about themselves;but that if they take pains they may,perhaps,become worthy of the names which they bear.They,on their part,promise to comply with our wishes;and our care is to discover what studies or pursuits are likely to be most improving to them.Some one commended to us the art of fighting in armour,which he thought an excellent accomplishment for a young man to learn;and he praised the man whose exhibition you have seen,and told us to go and see him.And we determined that we would go,and get you to accompany us;and we were intending at the same time,if you did not object,to take counsel with you about the education of our sons.That is the matter which we wanted to talk over with you;and we hope that you will give us your opinion about this art of fighting in armour,and about any other studies or pursuits which may or may not be desirable for a young man to learn.Please to say whether you agree to our proposal.
NICIAS:As far as I am concerned,Lysimachus and Melesias,I applaud your purpose,and will gladly assist you;and I believe that you,Laches,will be equally glad.
LACHES:Certainly,Nicias;and I quite approve of the remark which Lysimachus made about his own father and the father of Melesias,and which is applicable,not only to them,but to us,and to every one who is occupied with public affairs.As he says,such persons are too apt to be negligent and careless of their own children and their private concerns.
There is much truth in that remark of yours,Lysimachus.But why,instead of consulting us,do you not consult our friend Socrates about the education of the youths?He is of the same deme with you,and is always passing his time in places where the youth have any noble study or pursuit,such as you are enquiring after.
LYSIMACHUS:Why,Laches,has Socrates ever attended to matters of this sort?
LACHES:Certainly,Lysimachus.
NICIAS:That I have the means of knowing as well as Laches;for quite lately he supplied me with a teacher of music for my sons,--Damon,the disciple of Agathocles,who is a most accomplished man in every way,as well as a musician,and a companion of inestimable value for young men at their age.
LYSIMACHUS:Those who have reached my time of life,Socrates and Nicias and Laches,fall out of acquaintance with the young,because they are generally detained at home by old age;but you,O son of Sophroniscus,should let your fellow demesman have the benefit of any advice which you are able to give.Moreover I have a claim upon you as an old friend of your father;for I and he were always companions and friends,and to the hour of his death there never was a difference between us;and now it comes back to me,at the mention of your name,that I have heard these lads talking to one another at home,and often speaking of Socrates in terms of the highest praise;but I have never thought to ask them whether the son of Sophroniscus was the person whom they meant.Tell me,my boys,whether this is the Socrates of whom you have often spoken?
SON:Certainly,father,this is he.
LYSIMACHUS:I am delighted to hear,Socrates,that you maintain the name of your father,who was a most excellent man;and I further rejoice at the prospect of our family ties being renewed.
LACHES:Indeed,Lysimachus,you ought not to give him up;for I can assure you that I have seen him maintaining,not only his father's,but also his country's name.He was my companion in the retreat from Delium,and I can tell you that if others had only been like him,the honour of our country would have been upheld,and the great defeat would never have occurred.